Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:06:58 +0100 (WET DST)
From: Ewins, Paul
Subject: Re: Turbo- not that simple!
>Or you can install a 930cc Japanese factory turbo charged engine
Sounds like the Nissan MA09 motor; Three cylinders with a turbocharger and a supercharger and fuel injection but only about the same output as a 1600cc motor for all that technology. It doesn't sound like an easy conversion, but probably a lot easier to get in Malaysia than another Imp engine. Still, at around AUS$800 (300 pounds) second-hand it looks like a cheap source of parts for a force-fed Imp.
Paul
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:06:09 +0100 (WET DST)
From: Imper
Subject: Turbo- Jap Engined
It's actually a MA10. 4 cylinder super/turbo EFI. These engines are from the nissan micra. They made it 930cc so it could be run in the 1600cc class at motorsport events (x 1.7). The group A engines produce around 120 hp. In group S form, 150 hp is normal. It's light, simple and best of all, revs to 9000rpm just like a 'race' imp engine.
Or you could 'dump' in a 7-litre chevy V8! Right Frank?
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 03:50:22 +0100 (WET DST)
From: Ewins, Paul
Subject: RE: Turbo- Jap Engined
>It's actually a MA10. 4 cylinder super/turbo EFI.
I had seen these advertised at a similar price to the MA09 and assumed that they were the same engine in a 1 litre capacity, not something with an extra cylinder! Sounds like an even better bet if you were looking for all the bits for a turbo project.
>Or you could 'dump' in a 7-litre chevy V8! Right Frank?
The normal Australian approach to engine swaps goes like this; Put the biggest V8 in it that will fit, and if a V8 won't fit put the biggest rotary in it that will fit.
I haven't seen a V8 Imp, but I have seen a rotary engined Imp Sports Sedan advertised for sale recently. The weight of the engine would be comparable but the power would be about 50% higher than the best turbo Imp - 280hp is not unreasonable for a 13B race motor, more if you don't mind constant rebuilds and an extremely narrow power band. From memory the Imp S/S was using a Hewland transaxle.
Paul
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:30:44 +0100 (WET DST)
From: Bert Clewits
Subject: Re: Turbo- Jap Engined
Hi Frank and others,
Yeah I remember too, wasn't it a Rover V8 or something ?
Morelike he placed an imp body over the engine !!!
I think he used it as a dragster racing it at Santa Pod.
Bert
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:42:40 +0100 (WET DST)
From: Nickcleak@aol.com
Subject: Re: Turbo- Jap Engined
> It's actually a MA10. 4 cylinder super/turbo EFI. > It's light, simple and best of all, revs to 9000rpm
any idea exactly how 'light' ??
nick ..
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:17:34 +0100 (WET DST)
From: Simon Trickett
Subject: RE: Turbo- Jap Engined
Or a SP250 2.5 V8!
How about a 1.5l Flat Six with quad cams!!!
& a 1.0l Flat Four With quad cams!!!
I know of a good one
Simon Trickett
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 23:24:35 +0100 (WET DST)
From: Nickcleak@aol.com
Subject: Alternative Engines ...
Anyone wondered how it is going to ruin the Imp virtues ? 2 or 3 times the weight in the back , BEHIND the wheels ? that is going to remove a big chunk of weight from the front wheels .
remember if the engine weighs twice that of an imp , you are going to have to get quite a bit of power out of it before you start to break even in the extra power stakes , ie. i know a Maguire imp which was fitted with a Ford Phillspeed 1500 race engine , it was 3 seconds a lap slower than when it had the 998 cc Imp Engine .. !
Nick ...
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:38:07 +0100 (WET DST)
From: Simon Trickett
Subject: RE: Alternative Engines ...
The Flat Six and Flat Four are from a Honda Goldwing ...light engines
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 20:16:38 +0100 (WET DST)
From: Nickcleak@aol.com
Subject: Re: Alternative Engines ...
ahh ...
do you know the rpm at which max power and torque re produced and also what those figures are ??
nick ..
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:43:57 +0100 (WET DST)
From: Graham Miller
Subject: RE: Alternative Engines ...
Really, if you could get the crank strong enough, you might as well just grab a ZZR1100 engine. Even the ZZR1000 has over 100 bhp, and 140+ bhp is easily obtainable...
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 20:16:43 +0100 (WET DST)
From: Nickcleak@aol.com
Subject: Re: Alternative Engines ...
yes but you try driving one ! no torque for starting off ...minimal flywheel, power starts at 10000 + rpm ...not a lot at less than 6000 ... it's not practical ..
nick ..
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:25:33 +0100 (WET DST)
From: Simon Trickett
Subject: RE: Alternative Engines ...
Goldwing engines have a longer stroke than most bike engines - they produce more torque and power than a pucker 998 imp engine and loads more torque than a ZZR1100 engine as well as having a more sensible rev range.
Bye for a bit
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:28:46 +0100 (WET DST)
From: Gary and Carol Henderson
Subject: RE: Alternative Engines ...
Not a light bike though! Popularly known as the Leadwing...
Anyway, who wants to change - the original 875 is just great once the inlet manifold is heated - I just regret taking 18 years to latch on to the fact! Besides the generally cleaner running, I found that the idle mixture setting could be 'leaned down' almost a full turn, to come to a new & much better optimum setting than ever before. Idle quality still not up to the Fiat 600 of 'way back, but getting close!
Cheers
GaryH
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:22:47 +0100 (WET DST)
From: Richard Candler
Subject: Petrol
As for fitting bike engines, I think they're better off in bikes (Goldwings certainly do NOT fall into the category of motorbikes - they even have armchairs for pillion passangers!). Anyway, leave them there. Bikes are far more fun than cars. Or at least that's my experience of them. OK, so it might make an Imp go a bit quicker, but you still can't get your knee down in corners! I also think linking to the gearbow might be interesting, although of course if you were to stick with the bike gearbox, you'd have sequential gears - loads of fun. Also I think a Kwak 1100 would be hard as I'm sure this is a chain drive. I think a shaft drive would be far easier, but to do that you're probably going to have to go for an old Suzuki or something.....
Rich
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:46:00 +0100 (WET DST)
From: Simon Trickett
Subject: RE: Alternative Engines ...
Nick
The Flat 4 Goldwing engines figures are as follows
Rev range 1K to 9K
BHP 100 ish depending on the type of unit
Torque lots more than a R17 998 at between max torque 3.5K to 5K
They are also slightly Undersquare unlike most bike engines
It needs this to propel what is in fact a 2 wheel car and the fat lardies (clad in leather) that ride Goldwing + the Trailers !
Si
Ps I will get the exact figures when I can find my data book
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:15:09 +0100 (WET DST)
From: Graham Miller
Subject: RE: Alternative Engines ...
Errmm, the GL1500SE only delevops 76bhp at 4750rpm, you'd have to do something to it to get 100, I've always thought a supercharger... but you are right about the ZZR's max power between 9,000 and 11,000 (damn, but that's noisy!!!)
Do you have the weight of the Wing engines in your data book?
Graham
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:22:23 +0100 (WET DST)
From: Simon Trickett
Subject: RE: Alternative Engines ...
Graham,
It is likely that the 1500 GW engines has a lower output than the 1000 GW engines.
it is just that the 4 cylinder ones operate at a higher rev range which of course is less flexible......the 1500 I bet has more torque than the 1000 but does not rev as well. But is this would give the Goldwing Lard buckets a more relaxing cruise + trailer!!
I will check my book......when I can find the thing!!
see yer